WATCH: ‘It furthers a period of segregation’: Inside Project 2025’s Housing Policy

0:06 | >>> TODAY’S INSTALLMENT OF OUR

0:08 | DEEP DIVE INSIDE PROJECT 2025

0:12 | FOCUSES ON HOUSING POLICY.

0:13 | THE FAR RIGHT PLAYBOOK FOR

0:20 | SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY

0:21 | PREDICTABLY TAKES AIM AT

0:22 | PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO HELP THE

0:23 | MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IN

0:24 | THE POOR AND LOW-WAGE FOLK,

0:25 | PEOPLE OF COLOR, FAMILIES THAT

0:26 | DON’T FIT THE TRADITIONAL TWO

0:27 | PARENT MODEL AND FARRANCE —

0:29 | PARENTS OF MIXED LEGAL STATUS.

0:31 | YOU WILL FIND IT IN CHAPTER 15

0:33 | WRITTEN UP BY BEN CARSON,

0:35 | FORMER SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND

0:36 | URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

0:39 | TO SING ON DEPARTMENT OF

0:40 | HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT,

0:41 | ONE OF THE FIRST LINES OF

0:42 | CHAPTER 15 ON PAGE 503 READS

0:52 | INITIATE A HARD TASK FORCE

0:53 | CONSISTING OF POLITICALLY

0:54 | APPOINTED PERSONNEL TO IDENTIFY

0:55 | AND REVERSE ALL ACTIONS TAKEN

0:56 | BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO

0:57 | ADVANCE PROGRESSIVE IDEOLOGY.

0:59 | WHAT PROGRESSIVE IDEOLOGY ARE

1:02 | PROJECT 2025 DEFINES

1:11 | PROGRESSIVE IDEOLOGY AS

1:12 | ANYTHING THAT INCLUDES LANGUAGE

1:13 | EQUITY, INCLUSION, GENDER,

1:14 | SEXUALITY OR ENVIRONMENTAL

1:15 | PROTECTION.

1:16 | UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THIS SO-

1:27 | HOUSING POLICY AT ALL.

1:28 | IN THE 1930s AS THE NATION WAS

1:30 | DEPRESSION, THE FEDERAL

1:31 | GOVERNMENT IMPLEMENTED A

1:32 | PROGRAM TO HELP STRUGGLING

1:33 | AMERICANS WITH THEIR MORTGAGES

1:34 | FORECLOSURE.

1:35 | THE HOMEOWNERS LOAN CORPORATION

1:36 | HOMES TO DETERMINE VALUE, AND

1:37 | SO-CALLED DETRIMENTAL FACTORS

1:38 | THAT WOULD INFORM WHICH HOME

1:39 | LENDERS WOULD WANT TO INSURE.

1:43 | AS IT TURNS OUT, TO LENDERS,

1:45 | BEING BLACK WAS A QUOTE,

1:46 | DETRIMENTAL EFFECT HER.

1:49 | MADE WAY FOR LENDERS TO READ

1:51 | RUTH TO ENSURE REMOTE BRIDGES

1:53 | IN OR NEAR BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.

1:57 | A PHENOMENON YOU KNOW WELL,

2:01 | KNOWN AS REDLINING.

2:02 | ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL

2:03 | COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT

2:04 | COALITION, THREE OUT OF EVERY

2:07 | FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE

2:08 | REDLINED IN THE 1930s ARE STILL

2:15 | OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME

2:16 | TODAY.

2:17 | ROUGHLY TWO OF EVERY THREE ARE

2:18 | PEOPLE OF COLOR.

2:26 | THE POLICIES OF THE 1930s

2:27 | PROVIDED SUBSIDIES FOR

2:28 | DEVELOPERS TO BUILD SUBURBAN

2:29 | COMMUNITIES AND SUBDIVISIONS

2:30 | AVAILABLE ONLY TO WHITE PEOPLE.

2:31 | INEFFECTIVELY FORCED

2:32 | SEGREGATION, BLACK AMERICANS

2:33 | INTO HOUSING PROGRESS —

2:34 | INEQUALITY AND PREVENTED UPPER

2:37 | MOBILITY FOR NONWHITE PEOPLE.

2:39 | BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS

2:40 | UP AND TREATED AS SACRIFICE

2:42 | FOR SINS, INTERSTATES AND

2:45 | HIGHWAYS AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES

2:46 | WERE SYSTEMATICALLY BUILT TO

2:49 | CUT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS OFF

2:50 | FROM ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY

2:56 | CENTERS, EXPOSING THEM TO HIRE

2:57 | ENVIRONMENTAL AND POLLUTION

2:58 | THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS TO

2:59 | EDGE CLOSER TO EQUITY AND UNDO

3:01 | THE RACIST POLICIES OF THE

3:03 | PALACE — OF THE PAST.

3:07 | PROJECT 2025 WANTS TO UNDO ALL

3:12 | OF THE PROGRESS.

3:13 | AMONG OTHER PROPOSALS, IT

3:14 | RECOMMENDS THE NEXT CONSERVATIVE

3:16 | PRESIDENT QUOTE, IMMEDIATELY

3:17 | AND CUT THE BIDEN

3:18 | ADMINISTRATION’S PROPERTY

3:19 | APPRAISAL AND VALUATION EQUITY

3:24 | PAVE POLICIES AND REPEAL THE

3:25 | AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR

3:26 | HOUSING REGULATION,

3:28 | REINSTITUTED UNDER THE BIDEN

3:29 | ADMINISTRATION.

3:32 | DESIGNED BY THE BIDEN AND

3:35 | INITIATION SPECIFICALLY TO CHIP

3:36 | AWAY THE DECADES OF HOUSING

3:37 | INEQUALITY STILL AFFECTING

3:38 | COMMUNITIES TODAY, BY PREVENTING

3:41 | RACIAL BIAS IN HOME APPRAISALS,

3:43 | BY ACTIVELY UNDOING SEGREGATION

3:49 | AND ALLOWING LENDERS TO ADDRESS

3:50 | THE EFFECTS OF OUR HISTORY OF

3:51 | BUT PROJECT 2025 DOES NOT END

3:54 | THERE.

3:57 | PAGE 509 THE MANDATE SAYS THE

3:58 | DEPARTMENT SHOULD QUOTE,

3:59 | PROHIBIT NONCITIZENS INCLUDING

4:00 | ALL MIXED STATUS FAMILIES FROM

4:02 | LIVING IN ALL FEDERALLY

4:04 | ASSISTED HOUSING.

4:05 | WHICH MEANS TENS OF THOUSANDS

4:08 | OF IMMIGRANT FAMILIES INCLUDING

4:10 | THOSE WITH SPOUSES OR PARENTS

4:11 | OR CHILDREN WHO ARE UNITED

4:15 | STATES CITIZENS, WILL FACE

4:16 | EVICTION.

4:17 | IN FACT THE DEPARTMENT OF

4:18 | HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT

4:19 | ESTIMATES 55,000 CHILDREN WOULD

4:22 | FACE EVICTION UNDER THIS

4:24 | PROPOSAL ALONE.

4:27 | THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BY THE

4:28 | WAY, ALREADY TRIED TO DO THIS,

4:29 | THE FIRST TIME AROUND IN 2019.

4:31 | PROJECT 2025 PROPOSES STRICT

4:32 | TIME LIMITS ON PUBLIC HOUSING

4:36 | IT WANTS TO SCRAP SO-CALLED

4:43 | HOUSING FIRST MODELS OF

4:44 | ASSISTANCE AND REPLACE THAT

4:45 | TREATMENT AND WORK IN ORDER TO

4:47 | QUALIFY FOR HOUSING.

4:51 | THIS IS AN AREA CLOSE TO MY

4:52 | HEART BECAUSE I WORKED IN.

4:53 | HOUSING FIRST MODELS HAVE BEEN

4:54 | EXTENSIVELY STUDIED.

4:55 | THEY ARE FOUND TO BE FAR MORE

4:56 | EFFECTIVE AT REDUCING POVERTY

4:57 | AND HOMELESSNESS THAN TREATMENT

4:59 | FIRST MODELS, WHICH OFTEN

5:00 | REQUIRE SOBRIETY, MENTAL HEALTH

5:01 | TREATMENT, AND HAVE HIGHER

5:02 | RATES OF FAILURE AND

5:03 | IF YOU’RE TRYING TO RECOVER

5:04 | FROM ADDICTION YOU ABSOLUTELY

5:06 | NEED HOUSING FIRST.

5:10 | ON PAGE 512 OF THE DOCUMENT, IT

5:12 | FLEXIBILITY TO DIRECT THE PHA,

5:22 | SALES THAT INVOLVE EXISTING

5:23 | STOCK OF PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS,

5:24 | CONGRESS MUST CONSIDER THE

5:25 | FUTURE OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING

5:26 | MODEL, WHERE THEY CAN BE SOLD

5:27 | BY PHAS AND PUT TO GREATER

5:29 | ECONOMIC USE.

5:31 | THROW THE POOR PEOPLE OUT, WE

5:32 | CAN BUILD CONDOS OR FACTORIES.

5:34 | PROJECT 2025 RECOMMENDS THAT

5:35 | CONGRESS ALLOWED LAND CURRENTLY

5:39 | USED FOR PUBLIC HOUSING TO BE

5:41 | SOLD TO PRIVATE DEVELOPERS FOR

5:42 | PROJECT 2025 WANTS TO

5:50 | ELIMINATE THE NEW HOUSING

5:51 | MAKES IT EASIER TO BUILD

5:52 | AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

5:53 | AND FINALLY, LET’S ALSO MAKE IT

5:54 | HARDER FOR FIRST TIME

5:55 | HOMEOWNERS TO REACH THE

5:56 | THE MANDATE RECOMMENDS THE

5:57 | FEDERAL HOUSING ADMINISTRATION

5:59 | IMPLEMENT SHORTER TERMS FOR LOW

6:01 | INCOME FIRST-TIME WIRES.

6:04 | WE CAN GET 30 YEAR LOANS,

6:05 | SOMETIMES 40 YEAR LOANS THAT

6:07 | DIVIDES THE PAYMENT OVER A

6:08 | LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME SO YOU

6:12 | DON’T HAVE TO BE 80 YEARS OLD

6:13 | BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR FIRST HOME.

6:15 | SHORTER MORTGAGE TERMS MAKE IT

6:20 | HARDER FOR HOMEOWNERS TO GET

6:21 | MORTGAGE INSURANCE.

6:22 | VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS

6:23 | SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD THE

6:24 | MONTHLY PAYMENTS THAT ARE

6:25 | REQUIRED FOR SHORTER MORTGAGES.

6:40 | >>> BEFORE THE BREAK I TOLD YOU

6:43 | ABOUT PROJECT 2025’S PLAN TO

6:47 | CUT PROGRAMS AIMED AT HELPING

6:48 | THE MOST VULNERABLE AMERICANS

6:49 | MORE ON THIS, THE PERSON I

6:51 | TALKED TO WHEN I WANT TO

6:53 | DISCUSS INEQUITY AND HOUSING,

6:54 | THAT DRAKE ANDRE PERRY, SENIOR

6:55 | FELLOW, — AT WASHINGTON

7:02 | UNIVERSITY AND AUTHOR OF THE

7:03 | BOOK KNOW YOUR PRICE, VALUING

7:04 | BLACK LIVES AND PROPERTY IN

7:05 | AMERICA’S BLACK CITIES.

7:06 | GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, THANK

7:07 | YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

7:08 | WE TRIED TO DO THIS JUSTICE BUT

7:12 | IT’S GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN IT.

7:14 | WHAT IS THE MAIN TAKE AWAY FROM

7:15 | THE HOUSE AND PROPOSALS AND

7:17 | >> WELL THERE’S REALLY NOT A

7:18 | LOT OF SOLUTIONS TO A HOUSING

7:20 | CRISIS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS

7:21 | WE NEED TO INCREASE SUPPLY.

7:25 | PROJECT 2025 ESSENTIALLY IS

7:26 | DOUBLE DOWN ON THE EXISTING

7:29 | ARCHITECTURE OF SEGREGATION.

7:32 | FAMILY ZONING ORDINANCE DOES,

7:35 | IT PERPETUATES THE SMITH THAT

7:37 | IMMIGRANTS DON’T CONTRIBUTE TO

7:43 | SOCIETY AND ARE A DRAG ON

7:44 | IT ELIMINATES RULES THAT WOULD

7:46 | ENCOURAGE ENDING SEGREGATION,

7:48 | AND IT, THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR

7:52 | TO MY HEART, WE NEED TO

7:54 | ELIMINATE BIAS IN HOUSING

7:56 | MARKETS THAT LOWER HOME VALUES.

7:58 | SO THIS POLICY PROPOSAL OFFERED

8:03 | IN AN PROJECT 2025 REALLY DOES

8:04 | NOT OFFER SOLUTIONS TO OUR

8:07 | EXISTING HOUSING CRISIS, AND IT

8:09 | FURTHERS A PERIOD OF

8:13 | SEGREGATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN,

8:16 | SINCE OUR FOUNDING OF THE

8:18 | COUNTRY.

8:19 | >> IT IS INTERESTING, IT’S GOT

8:23 | A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE, NONE OF

8:24 | WHICH ARE ACTUAL SOLUTIONS TO

8:27 | CREATE WAREHOUSING.

8:28 | BE SOMETHING PEOPLE THOUGHT

8:29 | ABOUT AS AN ABSTRACTION, A

8:33 | BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIVING IN A

8:34 | PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY I

8:36 | IN 2024, HOUSING ABILITY, THE

8:37 | AFFORDABILITY IS ENTIRELY

8:39 | MAINSTREAM.

8:40 | CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING.

8:41 | >> YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE

8:45 | THAT IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE.

8:49 | REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, AND

8:51 | THE REPUBLIC OVERALL, TALK

8:52 | ABOUT INCREASING HOUSING

8:54 | HOWEVER WE ARE LIMITING THE

8:56 | AMOUNT OF TOOLS THAT WE CAN

8:59 | APPLY TO INCREASE IT. WE

9:01 | ACTUALLY NEED MORE FEDERAL

9:02 | INVOLVEMENT IN INCREASING THE

9:05 | IT IS THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY,

9:09 | WITH THE RESOURCES TO DO SO.

9:11 | NOW IT WILL REQUIRE

9:13 | COORDINATION BETWEEN STATE AND

9:14 | LOCAL ENTITIES, BUT WE HAVE A

9:18 | HISTORY OF THAT.

9:19 | REMEMBER, WE INSTITUTED

9:20 | REDLINING AND A LOT OF

9:23 | FEDERALLY BACKED HOMEOWNER

9:25 | PROGRAMS, BUT IT WAS FOR THE

9:28 | PURPOSE OF EXCLUSIVITY.

9:29 | FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXCLUDING

9:32 | BLACK PEOPLE FROM INCREASING

9:36 | HOMEOWNERSHIP.

9:37 | AND SO WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT

9:40 | . WE JUST NEED TO DO IT FOR

9:43 | PURPOSES OF INCLUSION.

9:46 | MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW INCOME

9:49 | >> ONE OF THE THINGS I

9:53 | MENTIONED, THERE IS ANOTHER

9:54 | SUGGESTION ON 509 READS HUD

9:55 | SHOULD IMPLEMENT REFORMS —

10:00 | ANTI-MARRIAGE BIAS IN HOUSING

10:01 | ASSISTANT PROGRAMS,

10:02 | STRENGTHENING WORK READINESS

10:05 | REQUIREMENTS, IMPLEMENT MAXIMUM

10:06 | TERM RESIDENCE — LIMITS FOR

10:08 | STUFF THAT WILL PUSH PEOPLE OUT

10:11 | OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT

10:12 | EXPAND THE STOCK.

10:13 | >> THERE IS STILL A LOT OF MYTH

10:16 | AROUND WHAT CAUSES OR THROTTLES

10:19 | ECONOMIC MOBILITY AMONG FOLKS,

10:21 | THAT THIS PROPOSAL SAYS PEOPLE

10:23 | AREN’T WORKING, THAT THEY ARE

10:26 | ESSENTIALLY LAZY, THAT SINGLE

10:28 | FAMILIES OR SINGLE MOTHERS ARE

10:29 | THE CAUSE OR ROOT CAUSE OF

10:32 | POVERTY.

10:33 | WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF POVERTY IS

10:35 | LACK OF INCOME, MIDDLE-CLASS

10:37 | INCOME, THE LACK OF LIVABLE

10:38 | WAGE.

10:39 | PEOPLE ARE WORKING IN THIS

10:40 | COUNTRY.

10:41 | WE HAVE RECORD LOWS AND

10:44 | UNEMPLOYMENT.

10:45 | PEOPLE WHO AREN’T WORKING

10:47 | GENERALLY CAN’T.

10:48 | AND SO THE MYTHS REALLY OFFER

10:52 | NO SOLUTION TO THE AFFORDABLE

10:56 | HOUSING CRISIS, AND WE ACTUALLY

10:58 | NEED TO INCREASE THE SHARE OF

11:00 | BLACK AND BROWN HOMEOWNERS IN

11:04 | THIS COUNTRY, SO WE NEED MORE

11:05 | TOOLS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

11:11 | >> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

11:12 | THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

11:14 | ANDRE PERRY IS SENIOR FELLOW AT

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