WATCH: Project 2025 Co-Author Lays Out “Radical Agenda” for Next Trump Term in Undercover Video

0:00 | We Begin Today’s Show with a new

0:01 | undercover video that shows the

0:04 | co-author of project 2025 bragging about

0:08 | his ties to Republican presidential

0:10 | candidate Donald Trump even As Trump is

0:13 | trying to distance himself from the

0:15 | right-wing blueprint for his potential

0:17 | second term the video features Russell

0:21 | vote who is director of the Trump White

0:23 | House Office of Management and budget it

0:25 | shows vote meeting in a five-star

0:28 | Washington DC Hotel

0:30 | with two men he thought were relatives

0:33 | of a wealthy conservative donor but vote

0:36 | was actually talking to two undercover

0:39 | reporters with the center for climate

0:41 | reporting an independent British news

0:43 | outlet they were secretly recording him

0:46 | in a minute one of those reporters will

0:48 | join us but first this is the video

0:52 | report accompanying their new

0:55 | investigation it’s called undercover in

0:58 | Project 2025 the the secretive second

1:01 | phase and the radical policies for

1:03 | rollout on day

1:07 | one two undercover reporters posing as

1:10 | donors are about to meet one of the key

1:12 | architects of project 2025 the radical

1:15 | plan for Trump second term in a hotel

1:17 | suite rigged with hidden cameras nice to

1:19 | meet you would you like uh coffee or

1:22 | something I’d love coffee

1:24 | yeah meet Russ vot Russell vote the

1:27 | former director of The Office of

1:29 | Management and budget he’s been called

1:31 | the most dangerous magga die hard you’ve

1:33 | never heard of I am opposed to the

1:35 | Department of Education because I think

1:37 | it’s the department of critical race

1:38 | Theory the Russ vote were comrades in

1:40 | arms formerly a Cabinet member and chief

1:43 | lieutenant in the first Trump admin I

1:45 | want to thank Russ for doing an

1:46 | incredible job he now runs a group

1:48 | called Center for renewing America an

1:50 | organization that I helped turn into the

1:53 | Death Star that is accomplishing all the

1:56 | debates that you are reading about I

1:57 | think you have to rehabilitate Christian

1:59 | nationalism you have the largest

2:00 | deportation in history block funding for

2:03 | Planned Parenthood I I want to be the

2:05 | person that crushes the Deep State vote

2:08 | is one of the key authors of the

2:09 | blueprint for a second Trump

2:11 | Administration project 2025 it’s an

2:13 | ambitious 920 page blueprint like

2:16 | eliminating the Department of Education

2:18 | the mass firings of civil servants

2:20 | Banning access to the abortion pill and

2:22 | further restricting abortion rights in

2:25 | recent weeks the plans have become so

2:27 | controversial that Trump has been forced

2:29 | to distance self they’re sort of the

2:31 | opposite of the radical left okay you

2:33 | have the radical left and you have the

2:34 | radical right and they come up with this

2:37 | I don’t know what the hell it is it’s

2:38 | project 25 are you ready I know nothing

2:41 | about project 25 I haven’t seen the

2:44 | document I don’t intend to really see

2:46 | the document but behind closed doors

2:48 | vote tells us not to take Trump’s

2:50 | disavow seriously I I expected you hear

2:53 | 10 more times from the rally the

2:54 | president you know distancing himself

2:57 | from the left’s Boogyman of project 2025

3:00 | yeah um and you’re not worried about

3:02 | that I’m not worried about it okay he’s

3:04 | running against the brand he is not

3:07 | running against any people okay uh he is

3:09 | not running against uh any institutions

3:12 | it’s interesting he’s in fact not even

3:14 | opposing himself to a particular policy

3:17 | he’s been at our organization he’s

3:19 | raised money for our organization he’s

3:21 | blessed it from the you know when we’re

3:22 | walking into our last day in office and

3:24 | told him what I was going to do so he’s

3:27 | very supportive of what we do

3:31 | our investigation into project 2025

3:33 | began two weeks before the meeting with

3:35 | vote at a conference for religious

3:38 | nationalists in DC the truth is

3:40 | Christian nationalism is not a threat to

3:43 | American democracy Christian nationalism

3:45 | founded American democracy journalists

3:48 | from the center for climate reporting

3:49 | have come posing as potential donors

3:52 | looking to meet those involved in

3:53 | Project

3:55 | 2025 they’re not hard to find the

3:58 | Heritage Foundation the group running

4:00 | the project are here so is votes think

4:03 | tank we make the acquaintance of M

4:05 | metrof an author on Project 2025 and a

4:08 | close Aid to vote he tells us that vote

4:11 | is running the secretive second phase of

4:14 | project 2025 the second phase after the

4:17 | book came out was to break down like

4:19 | actual sort of policy packets and

4:24 | executive orders

4:26 | and um agenda items and things like that

4:29 | that’s it’s been supervised

4:31 | largely the first phase of project 2025

4:34 | was a 922 page policy book published

4:37 | openly the second phase is a

4:40 | comprehensive concrete transition plan

4:42 | for each Federal agency these much more

4:45 | detailed plans are confidential yeah CU

4:49 | obviously you wanted little of it to be

4:51 | Foy if you’re familiar with the Foya

4:53 | process as possible freed Freedom of

4:55 | Information Act yeah the Freedom of

4:58 | Information Act allows the public to

4:59 | request government Communications but

5:02 | metrof reveals they plan to avoid these

5:04 | rules yeah the goal is you know

5:07 | familiarize all the transition team

5:08 | people with these plans yeah but you

5:11 | don’t actually like send them to their

5:14 | work emails CU

5:16 | right you know you could just give the

5:19 | handbooks to everyone be like this is

5:20 | the game plan for the

5:21 | admin if the Press knows that that’s

5:23 | what you’re doing that they’re going to

5:24 | immediately just say like I request all

5:27 | of your emails from Heritage okay you

5:29 | know

5:31 | you I see so we’ll see interesting metal

5:35 | offers to set up a meeting with his boss

5:37 | Russ vot you could like put me in touch

5:39 | with somebody who looks after his diary

5:41 | or whatever yes I could put you in touch

5:42 | with his schedule

5:44 | amazing great yeah so just tell me when

5:46 | to do that we want to meet the man

5:48 | writing the game plan for Trump’s second

5:50 | Administration vote believes that in his

5:52 | first term Trump’s agenda was frustrated

5:54 | by what he calls the Deep state so vote

5:57 | is planning a radical centralization of

5:59 | government power under the president

6:02 | firing civil servants and ending the

6:03 | independence of agencies like the FBI

6:06 | and

6:07 | doj 80% of my time is working on the

6:11 | plans of what’s necessary to take

6:13 | control of these

6:15 | bureaucracies um and we are working

6:17 | doggedly on that U whether it’s uh

6:21 | destroying their agency’s notion of

6:23 | Independence they are independent from

6:25 | the president vote has also been

6:27 | preparing documents based on Fringe

6:29 | legal theories arguing the president has

6:31 | the power to use the military against

6:33 | protesters you George Floyd obviously

6:36 | was not about race it was about uh

6:39 | destabilizing the Trump Administration

6:42 | uh we put out for instance a 50-page

6:45 | paper designed for lawyers to know that

6:48 | the president has you know the ability

6:51 | both along the border uh and elsewhere

6:54 | to maintain Law and Order with the

6:56 | military and and that’s something that

6:59 | um you know it’s going to be important

7:00 | for for him to remember and his lawyers

7:03 | to affirm but we we’ve given them the

7:05 | case for that with loyalists installed

7:07 | in key government agencies and armed

7:09 | with his Playbook vote believes a

7:11 | radical Christian nationalist agenda can

7:13 | be realized under a second Trump

7:15 | presidency for example on abortion so I

7:19 | think the president’s actually come up

7:20 | with a a strategy that works so long as

7:24 | you are giving people like me in the

7:27 | government the ability to block funding

7:29 | for Planned Parenthood block funding for

7:32 | fetal tissue research but what I’ve told

7:34 | people is he had the most Pro lifee

7:38 | record ever I’ve never seen him take it

7:42 | to stand in the way of a pro-life

7:44 | initiative that actually was real

7:47 | politically and with momentum and for

7:49 | vote Trump’s pick for vice president

7:51 | shows he’s serious about pushing this

7:53 | ideological agenda when in power so I am

7:56 | very happy with the JD pick I think it’s

7:58 | transformative for sure um and he’s you

8:01 | know he think of him as a member version

8:03 | of what we do yeah so there’s no Think

8:07 | Tank no policy Organization no battle

8:09 | plan

8:10 | Creator other than us for the worldview

8:13 | that I think Donald Trump has and that

8:16 | uh JD has but as public backlash against

8:19 | these plans builds the Trump campaign

8:21 | has been scrambling to distance

8:23 | themselves from Project 202’s authors

8:26 | it’s complete and utter for any

8:28 | reporter to right that this is the way

8:31 | it is the president’s made it clear

8:32 | these people do not speak for him they

8:35 | do not speak for the campaign but vote

8:36 | tells us that behind the scenes things

8:38 | are much friendlier the Trump campaign

8:41 | recently picked him to write the

8:42 | Republicans policy platform making him

8:45 | essentially project 202’s man on the

8:48 | inside I think the best example is like

8:51 | campaign selected me to be the platform

8:54 | uh because of their their views on my

8:57 | policy ideas and they’re not running

8:59 | from all of the negativity that I get

9:00 | from the Press I see so they haven’t

9:02 | been spooked on you as a person you

9:04 | don’t think no I mean I no I I don’t

9:07 | think I’m going to be their transition

9:09 | pick because then they have all these

9:11 | kinds of stories but no the relationship

9:14 | is great the head of the Trump

9:15 | transition team has not yet been

9:17 | appointed but vote says that no matter

9:19 | who is named he’ll be able to hand over

9:21 | his project 2025 battle plans directly

9:24 | if it’s someone like Steven Miller or

9:26 | Bob lighthiser then all the stuff gets

9:29 | uh pluged right in if it’s not we’ll

9:32 | figure it out okay but but all of it

9:36 | will be designed for a theory of the

9:37 | case that president if if if a battle

9:40 | plan is out there that will do what he

9:42 | wants there are people like me that have

9:45 | his trust that we’ll we’ll be able to

9:47 | get it to him uh in whatever position

9:50 | we’re at or I could be at Center for new

9:52 | America but the relationships will be

9:54 | there uh the trust level will be there

9:56 | project 202’s radical Phase 1 policy

9:59 | book turned into a PR disaster the

10:01 | director of project 2025 has stepped

10:04 | down after facing criticism from both

10:06 | Democrats and the Trump campaign but

10:08 | votes Phase 2 battle plans top secret

10:11 | and handed directly to the transition

10:12 | team remain unburdened by the brand and

10:16 | are you going to like Rebrand that

10:18 | second phase at for what I do yeah the

10:21 | brand is not important and you’re not

10:22 | worried that if it has project 2025 on

10:25 | he’s going to go

10:26 | like and you’re not going to publish

10:28 | those

10:29 | no no they go straight to yeah they very

10:33 | very close hold yeah okay brilliant

10:35 | brilliant it’s been an education

10:37 | appreciate it thank you for time thank

10:39 | you so much any time thank you very much

10:42 | you can show

10:46 | us that’s the full video report that

10:50 | accompanies a major new investigation by

10:52 | the center for climate reporting it’s

10:55 | called undercover in Project 2025 the

10:58 | secretive second phase and the radical

11:01 | policies set for roll out on day one for

11:04 | more we’re joined by Lawrence Carter

11:06 | founder and director of the center for

11:08 | climate reporting he is joining us via

11:11 | Audio Only from the West Midlands in the

11:14 | UK because he’s an undercover journalist

11:16 | and needs to remain anonymous for his

11:18 | work welcome to democracy Now Lawrence

11:21 | if you can start off by talking about

11:23 | the significance of what you found um

11:26 | and more on who vote is in their

11:28 | response

11:30 | hi a um thanks for having me um yeah I

11:34 | think for us the investigation really

11:37 | crystallized around the time that um you

11:39 | started to see these big disavows from

11:42 | the Trump campaign from Project 2025

11:46 | previously it it kind of seemed like an

11:48 | unspoken kind of um collaboration almost

11:51 | where Trump went to the Heritage

11:53 | Foundation um in the month that they

11:55 | launched project 2025 and seemed to sort

11:58 | of give it his Blessing

11:59 | um obviously then it became this huge

12:01 | political issue um very unpopular

12:04 | proposals um in the big policy book that

12:06 | they produced and recently you’ve seen

12:09 | Trump’s campaign managers really as you

12:11 | saw in the film really aggressively

12:13 | attacking project

12:14 | 20225 but our kind of hypothesis was

12:18 | that that was kind of window dressing

12:20 | and actually the relationships are there

12:22 | and so we went undercover and you know

12:25 | that that that is was borne out by our

12:27 | investigation that there’s this

12:29 | secretive second phase of project

12:31 | 2025 um rosbo is overseeing a pipeline

12:35 | of

12:36 | 350 detailed blueprints that’s executive

12:39 | orders secretarial memos um all designed

12:42 | to ensure that this kind of radical um

12:45 | agenda that the conservative movement

12:47 | has in the US can be implemented from

12:50 | day one they want to make sure that the

12:52 | mistakes from the first um Trump

12:54 | Administration as they see them where

12:56 | Not much got done um are avoided this

12:59 | time round and they’re really able to S

13:01 | of upend the way in which um the United

13:04 | States is governed um there are some

13:06 | like specifically shocking findings of

13:09 | the investigation in terms of um the

13:12 | policy proposals that they put forward

13:13 | and these are kind of things that um are

13:16 | in the book but which when you kind of

13:18 | speak about them in detail become kind

13:20 | of all the more um important from the

13:22 | kind of public interest perspective um

13:24 | and that’s um largely around the way in

13:27 | which he talked about ma the mass

13:29 | deportations that they want to carry out

13:31 | um and which is actually in the GOP

13:33 | platform which um the Trump campaign

13:36 | actually asked um Mr V to oversee so um

13:41 | the largest deportation in history as he

13:43 | calls it um has kind of come from the

13:45 | conservative movement via project

13:47 | 2025 is also a key campaign promise of

13:50 | the Trump campaign um and and he talked

13:53 | about the deportations you know these

13:56 | Mass like millions of people being

13:57 | deported as a way in which to achieve a

14:00 | goal which is to end multiculturalism in

14:03 | the United States um we asked him you

14:06 | know what what’s going to happen when

14:10 | there’s protests against that and he

14:12 | said well we’ve been preparing kind of

14:14 | legal Arguments for bringing in the

14:16 | military to um quell protest by US

14:18 | citizens so um those are those are a few

14:22 | of the findings that we thought were

14:24 | most important but obviously um overall

14:28 | you’ve got this kind of quite radical

14:29 | agenda um and then you’ve got a man

14:32 | who’s very much on the inside of Trump

14:34 | World um who is kind of um very Adept at

14:39 | getting things done and kind of has said

14:41 | he can get these plans directly into the

14:43 | hands of Donald Trump and why you a

14:46 | British news organization the center for

14:49 | climate reporting why you’re so

14:51 | interested in Project 2025 and why you

14:54 | felt your team felt it was essential to

14:58 | be undercover as you continue to even

15:02 | you uh as head of the organization not

15:04 | wanting to show your

15:06 | face um so yeah the we’re a global

15:09 | organization like we’re registered in

15:11 | the UK but we’ve got reporters in New

15:13 | York Berlin and London um and this

15:16 | really was part of a project that we’ve

15:18 | started a few months ago um looking at

15:21 | populist movements around the world and

15:23 | this investigation actually started um

15:26 | by looking at the this movement in

15:29 | Europe there’s just been some um big

15:31 | European elections and um the populist

15:34 | parties in Europe have really kind of

15:36 | come to power and kind of got much more

15:38 | influence in um the European Union at

15:41 | the moment and so our investigation

15:43 | actually started there but these are

15:45 | these are international movements they

15:48 | there there huge transatlantic links so

15:51 | the leads that we were following from

15:53 | Europe actually led to Washington DC and

15:56 | project

15:57 | 2025 um and it’s that point that it

16:00 | became the project has become more

16:02 | focused on Project 2025 now in terms of

16:05 | the um the undercover aspect you know

16:08 | undercover has got a um very long and

16:11 | respected history actually including in

16:12 | the US you know you can go back to the

16:14 | Golden Age of investigative journalism

16:16 | with have Nelly blae who went undercover

16:18 | at a New York sanatorium to expose

16:20 | brutal conditions there more recently

16:23 | Shane bow from Mother Jones went

16:24 | undercover at a Max security prison to

16:26 | expose the conditions there you know

16:28 | even CNN has done um undercover

16:30 | reporting in recent years on brilliant

16:32 | report on people smuggling in Nigeria

16:36 | sometimes it’s the only way to get the

16:37 | story um and and and that that that was

16:41 | the case here you know they’re going to

16:43 | Great Lengths to keep this aspect of

16:44 | project 2025 secret you know you you

16:47 | could see in um from mik medac croft’s

16:50 | comments there that they don’t want the

16:51 | American public to see what they’re

16:53 | doing that’s why they’re trying to

16:55 | avoiding work emails for example and how

16:57 | they intend to distribute these plans

17:00 | and so sometimes you

17:02 | know you could get a whistleblower maybe

17:04 | but kind of in in this case we felt that

17:07 | going under cover was the only way in

17:09 | which we were going to get get this

17:10 | story um and so we weighed up the kind

17:13 | of um the public interest arguments in

17:16 | favor of doing so with the kind of you

17:18 | know the reasonable expectation of

17:20 | privacy that an individual has and in in

17:24 | this case we felt that the kind of there

17:25 | was an overwhelming public interest in

17:27 | going undercover and kind of revealing

17:30 | the way in which um a kind of largely

17:34 | dark money funded um network of

17:37 | organizations with kind of quite radical

17:39 | plans that are unpopular if you poll

17:41 | them are seeking to enact that agenda um

17:46 | and why is a climate organization doing

17:48 | all this well you

17:50 | know the fossil fuel industry is kind of

17:53 | um obviously a major focus of investive

17:56 | organizations like mine that um that

17:59 | work on climate but if you look at

18:01 | actually the sort of key threats to um

18:05 | much needed kind of action on climate

18:08 | change the rise of the populist right

18:10 | around the world is kind of is just as

18:13 | important in our view and so that’s kind

18:15 | of was the Genesis of this project um is

18:18 | to start kind of looking at those

18:19 | movements and the threat that they pose

18:22 | I want to get your response to the

18:23 | statement issued Thursday by Russell

18:26 | votes nonprofit the center for renew

18:29 | America which downplayed your undercover

18:31 | video and said it didn’t reveal anything

18:34 | new spokesperson Rachel colie said quote

18:37 | it would have been easier just to do a

18:40 | Google search to uncover what is already

18:43 | on our website and set in countless

18:44 | National media interviews but thank you

18:47 | for airing our perfect conversation

18:49 | emphasizing our policy work is totally

18:52 | separate from the Trump campaign as we

18:54 | have been saying she said your response

18:57 | Lawrence Carter um yeah they would say

19:01 | that wouldn’t they

19:03 | um it’s clear from the from the

19:05 | recordings that they are actively

19:08 | seeking to keep this stuff secret um so

19:11 | again going back to the comments from

19:13 | the their research director mik medof

19:15 | they don’t want people to know what’s in

19:17 | these plans they don’t want them to know

19:19 | what they’re working on and so what we

19:22 | found was a that you know that they’re

19:24 | seeking to keep it um secret from the

19:27 | American public ahead of the election

19:28 | they don’t want people to see this

19:29 | before they vote um but crucially the

19:32 | the actual details of how they’re going

19:34 | to go uh about doing these things you

19:36 | know we now know that the 350 documents

19:39 | mik medof said there’s a big stack of

19:41 | them waiting to be handed into um

19:44 | transition teams um the other crucial

19:47 | thing that we’ve kind of established

19:49 | which is kind of um very much not what

19:51 | they’re saying publicly is that this is

19:53 | there’s this very strong relationship

19:55 | with both the Trump campaign and Donald

19:58 | Trump himself s you know project 2025

20:01 | has insisted it’s separate from um the

20:03 | Trump operation um the Trump campaign

20:06 | has disavowed project 2025 but here we

20:08 | have Russell vote he oversaw the GOP

20:11 | platform he’s a former Trump Cabinet

20:13 | member he told us he speaks with Trump

20:15 | regularly um he’s writing the party

20:18 | platform for this year’s um election

20:21 | whilst at the same time overseeing um

20:24 | this kind of pipeline of uh uh documents

20:27 | blueprints for the next ministration as

20:29 | part of project 2025 and that’s

20:31 | certainly not something that um they

20:33 | would talk about in public so yeah very

20:35 | interesting resp yeah Kevin Roberts the

20:38 | head of the Heritage Foundation um has

20:41 | this new book coming out dawn’s early

20:43 | light taking back Washington to save

20:45 | America with a forward by none other

20:48 | than president Trump’s vice presidential

20:50 | running mate JD Vance um political

20:53 | rights JD Vance the Republican Vice

20:55 | Presidential nominee has written the

20:57 | forward to the fourth coming book um in

21:00 | March Roberts told Politico Senator

21:03 | Vance was quote absolutely going um uh

21:07 | it was absolutely going to be one of the

21:09 | leaders if not the leader of our

21:13 | movement after Vance was named as

21:16 | Trump’s running mate Robert said the

21:17 | Heritage Foundation had been privately

21:19 | quote really rooting for him to be the

21:22 | pick even though Trump’s campaign of

21:25 | course has disavowed any connection to

21:28 | project

21:29 | 2025

21:32 | Lawrence yeah I mean that was kind of um

21:35 | also borne out by our conversations with

21:38 | um Russell vot and mik medt you know

21:40 | they’re very excited about the JD Vans

21:43 | pick and it’s because they see him as

21:45 | one of them um and so yeah they’ve got

21:49 | like vot’s got a very good relationship

21:50 | with Trump he’s got a great relationship

21:52 | with the Trump campaign you know he’s

21:53 | been actively collaborating with the

21:55 | Trump campaign on earned media hits for

21:57 | example um which the Trump campaign um

22:01 | sought in which the Trump campaign

22:03 | sought to um convey what a second Trump

22:05 | term would look like they had um Russell

22:08 | vote speak to the media for them to to

22:12 | articulate that and he spoke to the Time

22:14 | Magazine For example about his work on

22:16 | Project 2025 so there that those strong

22:19 | relationships already there but then you

22:21 | have you know the JD Vance pick he’s

22:24 | literally one of them as as far as they

22:26 | see it and they’re excited about it

22:29 | and the views of project 2025 when it

22:32 | comes to and votes views on abortion on

22:36 | marriage equality Lawrence

22:40 | Carter yeah so again the findings were

22:44 | that they for example on abortion um

22:47 | they saw that their goal is ultimately a

22:50 | national ban um they but they’re very

22:53 | they’re pragmatic like Russell vot is a

22:55 | pragmatic um member of project 2025 and

22:58 | he sees that in his words that would

23:00 | mean electoral Annihilation for Trump if

23:03 | he committed to that so actually their

23:05 | strategy is to kind of go after abortion

23:07 | by kind of more executive powers like

23:10 | for example if if he was reappointed to

23:12 | the office for management and budget

23:13 | blocking that um funding for Planned

23:16 | Parenthood um again like he talked about

23:19 | um um marriage equality in terms of this

23:22 | is kind of a fight that we need to start

23:24 | having but it’s one that they’re further

23:26 | behind in compared to abortion but the

23:28 | goal again is to kind of end marriage

23:31 | equality um similarly kind of they’re

23:34 | pursuing various strategies to try and

23:35 | ban

23:36 | pornography um so yeah it’s kind of it’s

23:40 | quite a kind of radical agenda from the

23:42 | kind of social conservatism point of

23:44 | view but um Russell vot is certainly on

23:47 | the end of the spectrum of kind of what

23:48 | is politically possible um rather than

23:51 | kind of I guess the more Heritage

23:52 | Foundation approach which is kind of um

23:55 | you know more

23:56 | absolutist Lauren scarter I want Tok

23:58 | thank you for being with us founder and

24:00 | director of the center for climate

24:01 | reporting we’ll link to your new

24:03 | investigation undercover in Project 2025

24:07 | the secretive second phase and the

24:08 | radical policy set for rollout on day

24:11 | one

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